Posted by: Nathan M. | February 23, 2009

Torture, or Interogation?

This seems to be one of the biggest questions that is being bandied around in the political arena, and in the press arena these days-what is considered torture, and how much is too much? The answer in my mind is that any activity that uses violence and pain to extract information from a al-Quaida-torture-methodsperson is wrong and inhumane. The problem is, many people feel this way but cannot explain why. A recent Macleans Article explores Ignatieff’s beliefs on torture-scattered and confused as they are. These beliefs are scattered because Ignatieff has something telling him that torture is wrong, but he finds it difficult to defend this through conventional, non-spiritual methods. The fact is that, if you are to simply look at the issue with the mindset that states that the only things wrong are those things that are damaging to the public good, torture is permissable in certain circumstances. The easy example is if you can torture one person in order to get information to save hundreds or thousands of people. To argue against this without interjecting some type of spiritual belief is futile. This is the reason why Obama’s policies on Torture are so scattered and iratic as well. Many expected Obama to eliminate torture from the realm of possibility in American action, but he has not done this at all. At the same time, Obama has been working to close down Guantanoma Bay, suggesting an anti-terrorist policy.

As Ignatieff said,

We cannot torture, in other words, because of who we are.

It is hard to grasp what the specific reason is for refraining from torture, because the reason is somehow beyond us. It is simply wrong to purposefully put someone else into pain. It creates a society that always places the end before the means, a Machiavellian belief that has been proven to be folly.


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    Encore des embêmes américains…

  3. […] other blog that Ignatieff had some significant insights to make in regards to Torture (accessed at this link). I doubt that Harper will be coming to Redeemer any time soon-rather ironic since Harper […]

  4. So then commies… I guess you mind a little torture for people who rape kids, kill innocents, and then forcibly convert them to islam… since they closed gitmo, more than 60 have gone back to killing innocents. While Canada and the USA bow to satan, and his abomination of desolation that stands in the holy place (dome of the god-rock, that muzzies pray to), and preach their tolerance, only muslims can live in any musilm state without general death and dismay, and not in Mecca at all, or they’re dead.

    Aren’t you guys supposed to be masons??? You can talk all the bullshit you want, but in every muslim country but Turkey, masons are jailed, and the news openly believes that Zionist Jew mason illuminaties/ reptilian aliens/ evil America imperialists are trying to take the whole world, and people there really believe it, not just hipsters with too much time on their hands.

    Because of the tolerant communists, sharia is now in Canada, for civil law (a.k.a. anything between muslims) and now we have a women who strangled her 14 year old daughter to death, (you have to keep choking your daughter a minute or so after she looses consciousness) because she was supporting Canadian business by wearing jeans, instead of her veil/head-rag of shame. Of course, sharia law permits no Canadian business to exist (unless they are goat-f***ers) so she was just strangling to enforce the law, her lawyer weaseled into words, and it was a big accident, which is acceptable, so she leaves the court with three years probation, and no jail-time for killing her own daughter in cold blood. This would be far harsher then the punishment for killing a woman in any Islamic shit-hole

    270 million Islam killed. Every culture, freedom, goodness or truth they touch turns to dust. They protest if you don’t love them all day, and called a German women saying “hey stop saying kill all Jews, that’s horrible.” a provocation. I leave you with some food for though, by a mason. (If you think masons are bad, compare societies where they are with Islamic shit-holes where music is illegal, and women are sentenced to 200 lashes for being brutally gang-raped (unless four men or 8 women testify)) because it is sex outside of marriage. You can have sex with boys, because they are still Islamic women, but are killed for being gay (pedophilia negates homosexuality in Islam). If you think you are tolerant by accepting intolerance, or are acceptant because you have prejudice against those who have prejudice against prejudice, I leave you with some food for thought.

    “All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent national gifts.”
    – George Washington

    If I kill 3000 Americans to show how my brand of baal worship is really good, torture my dumb ass, impeach Obama for dealing with terrorists (start looking from the first phone call he placed as president) , and love the West that Islam curses and prays to satan will be destroyed.

    Destroy the dome of the rock, bring back the temple, and at least Jews can talk to Adonai for a bit before the muslim messiah (yeah, their book is really that f***ed) comes to establish Islamic law for all. You live in the most exciting time in history, yet you choose to hate America/ Canada and hate the unprecedented paradise we have here, in comparison with anywhere else, an other time in history, not in comparison with the happy utopia of commies that is similar to the paradise mo the child rapist, napoleon the revolution killer, Stalin the terrible, or Hitler the serial killer promised. .

    I’m quite fortunate I didn’t join this free information society, as proposed by a member of my school. Coercive (self-)indoctrination society, at best.

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